Encounters: The UFO Phenomenon, Exposed!/Encounters - The UFO Phenomenon, Exposed (1995).iso/misc1/misc031.txt

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Bartoo Fraud 1/4
Date: 29 Jul 94 22:21:11 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2430/2112.3 - The Temples o, Springfield IL


A re-post from last year from Mark Harris on some of Uncle Wally's claims:

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AREA:UFO
(1302)   Wed 17 Mar 93 21:50
By: Mark Harris
To: All
Re: The Bartoo fraud
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Hello, All;

For some period of time, we've been subjected to the questionable
postings of one Walter Bartoo.  This has gone endlessly back and
forth, trying the patience of the most calm participants, and
driving the rest of us to distraction.  Enough is enough; I've
put in about as much effort as I'm likely to on this crap.

I've even gone to the extent of contacting Walter directly
through NetMail, and offering my services as a writer to clarify
his statements, allegations, and beliefs.  This turned out to be
unnecessary, as his "Solinus" can communicate clearly with the
written word, and has done so, both in the March/April newsletter
posted on this conference, and the Jan/Feb '93 newsletter that
Walter sent to me.

Most likely, no one here really needs to hear this, but I'll say
it anyway.  It's all fake.  This is one of the worst cases I've
ever seen of psuedo-scientific garbage, fake spiritualism, and
generally poor thinking; I'm frankly amazed that Mr. Bartoo can
operate a computer, let alone put all of this together.

Here's a few of the contradictions:

 Date:    03-05-93 09:16 (Public)
 From:    WALTER BARTOO
 To:      MICHAEL THOMAS
 Subject: ASHTAR COMMAND
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
 >>In 1965 or earlier Pavlov was summoned to the Kremlin.
WB> Kruschev said write everything down you know on animal conditioning
WB> or your wife and kids die! We at the time had our double agent as
WB> number two guy in the Kremlin who smuggled this very large
WB> text out of russia to the U.S., now my point is!

MT > Don't know where you get your information Walter, but Pavlov
MT > died in 1936, quite a bit before 1965, and certainly before Kruschev
MT > ever came to power. That was still the age of Stalin. At least get
MT >your history straight before you try to persuade us of something.

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What a mind-blower.  Cooper Himself couldn't have provided a more
uneducated, blatant contradiction of reality if he'd tried.

How about this?

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
 Area:    UFO
  Msg:    #91
 Date:    03-09-93 09:41 (Public)
 From:    WALTER BARTOO
 To:      DANNI BREWI
 Subject: ANOTHER ALIEN
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
 > WB> original post due to HD crash. But there is new things
 > verifying the
 > WB> thing and I've known for a long while they do exist. Next
 > newsletter

DB > Walter,
 > The word I would refer to is "lizy"...could you please
 > verify...You say
 > there is new things that "verify".....Thank you..

(WB) Lizy means Lizards or Reptillians. Some of us feel the planetoid is in
orbit around Mars. Reason being it is out of range of Nuclear Missles. Once
this is corrected we think it will come closer. Correction only an opinion is
what is coming in on the fire balls will try and destroy missle capability
first. Walter

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Currently, Mars is just past opposition; this means just past the
point where it lies directly opposite of the Sun, and is it's
closest approach to the earth.  It has two moons, visible in
larger amatuer telescopes, a few miles across.  OK, so you stated
this as an "opinion" this time; it just isn't there, Walter.  An
object 1,000 km across would even show a disc at that distance,

... OFFLINE 1.50  " Me a Skeptic? I trust you have proof...."

 # Origin: Springfield RBBS * Dane, Wis 608-849-5842 (1:121/26)

(1303)   Wed 17 Mar 93 21:51
By: Mark Harris
To: All
Re: The Bartoo fraud (2)
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in large telescopes, and Mars has been under continous watch by
just such instruments all over the world for months.  Nothing new
in orbit around it, or anywhere near it.  Your report is FAKE,
period.

Point in fact, the whole report of a 1,000 km asteroid with
reptoids in it, coming to make dinner out of us, is a really
major hoax.  Yet you keep on citing it as evidence of the "Evil
ET's", and your whole reason for posting your nonsense: to "wake
us up" to it all, to "open our eyes" to the reptoid threat.

There is _no_ such asteroid.  Something that size moving into the
inner solar system would be fairly easily spotted, and there's no
way to cover up such a discovery.  In addition to the
professional astronomers and their observatory instruments,
there's literally _millions_ of amatuers all over the world, and
many of them diligently search for just such asteroids.  Their
reward, of course, is having it named after them; that's also why
most comets are first spotted by amatuers.  It's all FAKE,
Walter, but I suspect you knew that.

Your references to fireballs shows major ignorance of basic
astronomy.  Allow me to educate you.

The meteors we see streaking across the night sky are about the
size of a grain of sand.  No kidding.  The fireballs that leave a
glowing trail for several seconds after their passage are about
the size of a pea.  Your reptoids would have to be pretty small
to ride one to the surface, if that was even possible.

For a meteroic fragment to actually reach the surface of our
planet, it must start out at about 20 pounds; around the size of
the average human head.  What actually makes it to the surface,
assuming it made it in one piece, would be lucky to be about the
size of a baseball.  Anything that size, BTW, leaves a truly
impressive flaming streak across the sky, and usually makes
national news.  Well it should:  those meteorites which actually
survive to crash onto the surface of our planet contain a lot of
valuable information about our solar system; when it formed, what
materials are out there, the list goes on and on.  When one is
sighted, people from all over flock to the area to search for it;
I suppose your reptoids are using "mind control" to hide their
presence?  Given the falsity of your allegations so far, I
rather doubt it.

Here's what you had to say in your January/February 1993
newsletter about some other supposedly scientifically based
events:

 "The wobble that has developed in the axis has increased  and
if  stabilization does not occur then a figure  eight  rotational
pattern will result which will cause water to inundate the  land.
This will be followed by more instability of the continents which
have  movement of their own and this also effects the fluid  base
beneath  the land masses upon which they float. All of these  are
effected by the use of ELF waves and microwaves.  Earth has begun
her corrective action.   We forecast that 1993 will be a year  of
many physical changes on the surface of this planet."

That's not even good psuedo-science.  There's no "wobble",
Walter; no matter how many times you try to say it, it DOESN'T
EXIST.  Even amatuer astronomers would be aware of it if it was
real.  Many of use make observiations of what are called
"occultations", and "grazing occultations".  This is where an
asteroid or other orbital body passes in front of a star, or just
grazes the edge of the image.  These events are carefully timed
according to at least one (and preferably two) WWV atomic clock
time signals. The time from first contact to last gives an
accurate size of the asteroid, for example; much more information
can be gleaned from a series of such observations.  The point
here is that if the earth had a new wobble, or if any of the
rotational characteristics of the earth changed, they would
immediately show up in the timing of such events, in a way that
not even the newcomer to this hobby could possibly miss.

You obviously don't understand the ELF project, either.  It's not
too far away from me, here in Wisconsin; when I went to school
for electronics, we learned a lot about it.  We were curious, of
course, and one of our instructors was a former Navy man who
actually worked on the project.

... OFFLINE 1.50  "Help! The paranoids are after me!"

 # Origin: Springfield RBBS * Dane, Wis 608-849-5842 (1:121/26)


(1304)   Wed 17 Mar 93 21:52
By: Mark Harris
To: All
Re: The Bartoo fraud (3)
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Here's the basic problem they faced.  We've got these great
nuclear submarines, but to get a message to them, they had to
risk giving away their location by coming near the surface and
extending an antenna above the water.  Radio waves, over the vast
majority of the part of the electromagnetic spectrum we normally
use, are either absorbed by the water or reflected off of it.
This is due entirely to the wavelength of the radio transmission.

Ever wonder why radar transmissions are in the microwave range?
Microwave, BTW, refers to a specific portion of the
electromagnetic spectrum where the wavelengths are very short.
That's also where ham radio operators get their "2 meter band"
and so on.  If the wavelength of the radio transmission is larger
than the object it's beamed at, it will pass right through it,
unless the material contains a substance which absorbs that
frequency.  So, to reflect a radio wave off of some object, it's
length must be smaller.  Radar just won't work unless it uses
very high frequencies.

The ELF project was trying to do just the opposite; it was to
produce radio waves at a frequency where it would pass through
the earth itself, _without_any_kind_of_interaction_at_all_.  Get
it?  ELF waves can't be effecting people, plants, buildings, or
the earth itself.  They are deliberately designed to pass through
these things, without any interference at all.  You've made other
allegations, that these waves are producing "gravitational
anomolies" or "shifts", and this is even more absurd.  Our most
advanced science has not yet produced a device which will allow
the interaction of the electromagnetic force and gravity.  As I
said before, this isn't even good pseudo-science.

Now, all of this is well and good; we already KNEW  that one Mr.
Bartoo was full of it.  Even the most cursory examination of his
position shows incredible errors and outright hoaxes.  Here's an
excerpt from a post dated 3-13-93, to Don Allen (mis-addressed to
Dan Ross), where Mr. Bartoo states his position on the subject of
proof:

"I can't prove anything to anyone. None of you can. When you believe something
it still is not proof. When you see something you cannot share or verify that
observation because the only way to really know something is to experience it
yourself.  If everyones experience were proven to everyone else then we'd have
a group believing something  that still to another would not be proof."

Well, Walter, certainly _your_ ideas and allegations can't be
proved; one of the first and only honest things you've done in
all this is to admit that.  It can't be proved for the simple
reason that none of it is true, and it's my personal opinion that
it's that personal knowlege of yours, that your whole line is,
indeed, fake, that makes you so defensive.  The only way to
accept your ravings is to suspend disbelief, and perhaps get a
frontal lobotomy; nothing short of that will win any thinking
person over to your demonstratably false views.

Here's a paragraph, with the header, from your March/April 1993
newsletter posted on this conference:

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CREATE YOUR OWN REALITY: KNOW YOUR OWN MANIFESTATION POWER, AND SOON

The Earth and her inhabitants are not as you may seem. In one sense you are an
illusion. I say one sense as all forms of thought create illusions, at least
from your physical perspective. This may sound like double talk, but it is
really an attempt to give a simple explanation for your basic premise of
existences. It is not my intent to confuse in this matter, so I will not dwell
on it further.

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Well, now, I recognize that.  I even asked Walter about it, in
one of the many posts to him which he did not answer, and which
he later claimed not to have seen.

There was a whole series of books by Jane Roberts, the first of
which was "Seth Speaks".  "Seth" was a "higher being" of some
sort, who dictated those books through Jane Roberts.  That's
right, they were all channeled.  I found them when I was in high

... OFFLINE 1.50  "... Sure, when OINK FLAP OINK FLAP ... I'll be
damned."

 # Origin: Springfield RBBS * Dane, Wis 608-849-5842 (1:121/26)


(1305)   Wed 17 Mar 93 21:53
By: Mark Harris
To: All
Re: The Bartoo fraud (4)
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school, and read every one of them; they make a good read, if
nothing else.  There's also a lot of really good messages in
them, even if I don't agree with much of what is presented there
as reality.

"Seth" had two main messages.  "You create your own reality", and
"you belong to a larger, multi-dimensional reality, which only
your larger self is aware of".  I asked specifically if Walter
had read any of these books; after reading more of his
newsletters, it's clear to me that he didn't respond because the
basic structure of his view of the universe was lifted directly
from the pages of the "Seth" books.  What I quoted above could
have come out of any of them (I no longer have the books, or I
would look it up), but it sounds to me like it came out of "The
Nature of Personal Reality", the second or third book of the
series.

So, not only are the "factual" portions of Walter's view flatly
faked, wrong, and hoaxed, his spiritual view of the universe was
plagarised as well.  Nowhere in any of Walter's postings, or his
personal writings, is there _anything_ to indicate that any
portion of his ramblings are true.

As I said at the beginning, I've had it with this nonsense.
Walter has perpetrated a major hoax on us, been massively abusive
to those who only requested further information, and also
violated the rules of this echo in several respects, listed here:

      1-* Discuss UFO. This is rule number one. This is not the
          forum of discussion of religion, time travel, out of
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
          body experiences and what not. However, the discussion
          of any topic is admissable if it directly relates to
          the UFO phenomenon.
          UFO is defined specifically as Unidentified Flying
          Objects, and should not be taken to mean anything
          else.

 Let me insert one little note:  Mr. Bartoo has abused the one
 exception here by trying to tie his "religious" beliefs into
 UFO's.  I believe it's been demonstrated just how fake all of
 those allegations are; his own posts show that most of what he's
 about is spiritual in nature, and far outside any rational
 investigation of the UFO phenomena.

      4-* Absolutely no advertising. That means no BBS ads, no
          service-to-others ads, no personal ads, no any kind
          of ads.

And that's my last argument, and for me, the last straw.  The
only way any rational person could possibly cling to such
obviously false ideas is if they stood to get some money for it.
It wasn't two weeks ago that Mr. Bartoo mentioned that his
newsletter was for sale, and now they've posted a full ad for
"love donations".

I had asked Don Allen, the Moderator, if he would allow me some
time to get to the bottom of this, and he granted it.  I see no
reason to delay any longer; Don, whatever actions you were going
to take, I'm done with Bartoo's fakery and abuse.

TO DON ALLEN:

This is just my personal opinion, and not one I'm going to press
with you or anyone else.  Still, it's something I would like to
say, here in the open echo.

Mr. Bartoo has abused our patience and insulted our intelligence
enough.  He's violated both the echo's rules, and those of the
FidoNet itself; it's my strictly personal opinion that his access
to the FidoNet should be immediately and permanently removed.
His has been an extreme case, and should be met with equally
extreme measures.

Now, that's just my opinion, and most likely the only time I'll
state it.  I'll support whatever decision is made; call this just
my personal "vote".

Regards,

Mark R. Harris

... OFFLINE 1.50  "... I'm just here for moral support... Ignore
the gun..."

 # Origin: Springfield RBBS * Dane, Wis 608-849-5842 (1:121/26)

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